00:00:00UNKNOWN: Just interviewing Reverend Garther Roberson, Junior?
ROBERSON: Junior.
UNKNOWN: Junior. We’re in the process of conducting a major, uh, history on
the important contributions on the part of blacks in the development of
Ypsilanti Township. Before [the] discussion, it brings us to Reverend, Reverend
Garther Roberson, who’s going to provide us with a historical overview of the
important role his father, the Reverend Roberson, Garther Roberson Senior,
played in the development of Ypsilanti Township. Uh, Reverend Gar—[rether],
uh, Reverend Roberson, uh, your first name, please?
ROBERSON: Garther Roberson. I have no middle name.
UNKNOWN: Where were you born?
ROBERSON: City of Ypsilanti.
UNKNOWN: What year?
ROBERSON: Year nineteen hundred and twenty-seven.
UNKNOWN: Your parents’ name?
ROBERSON: Garther Roberson and Estella Roberson.
UNKNOWN: When do you think your parents first arrived in Ypsilanti?
ROBERSON: They arrived in Ypsilanti…my father was…nineteen years
00:01:00old…um…the exact year I do not have. I could find that out, though. It
wouldn’t be difficult to find out, but the exact year I do not have; I would, um…
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ROBERSON: I would say my father arrived in uh, Ypsilanti area in the year of
approximately nineteen twenty.
UNKNOWN: What was your father’s occupation?
ROBERSON: When he arrived here, he was noted to be a well-known cook, but later
00:02:00on he became employed with the Central Specialty, in the City of Ypsilanti,
which is a foundry.
UNKNOWN: How long did he remain in his occupation? Do you know?
ROBERSON: He worked for the foundry approximately twenty years.
UNKNOWN: Twenty years? OK. How many brothers and sisters do you have, Reverend Roberson?
ROBERSON: At one time our family consist of eight children; two died at a very
early age. Then there were the six of us. My oldest brother, who was the
Reverend S. [Samuel] L. Roberson, my sister, Garthonia Roberson, my brother
00:03:00Walter Roberson, my sister Evelyn Roberson, including myself, Garther Roberson
Jr., and my youngest brother Harold Roberson. At this taping, there are three
left in the family, my older brother S. L. Roberson, Evelyn Nelson, my sister,
and myself, Garther Roberson Junior.
UNKNOWN: Thank you for this brief biographical sketch. What we’re really
primarily interested in is, uh, getting a family history of your family because
it’s a well-known fact that your father, the Reverend Garther Roberson Senior,
made a profound impact on the development of the Ypsilanti community. In your
own words, would you please now provide us, in, in chronological order, an
00:04:00overview of your father’s history and your family background? Thank you.
ROBERSON: I, I would like to state the fact that my father, coming at an early
age to the city of Ypsilanti, and realize that he had a poor family, he had to
find a job to work to take care of his family. His greatest motivation was his
church, and as he joined the Second Baptist Church, and sang in the choir, he
also was an ordained deacon, and from being an ordained deacon, he was called in
the ministry, became a licensed minister, and from being a licensed minister,
eventually he was called to pastor the Second Baptist Church. Through his life,
00:05:00he worked with many civic organizations throughout the city, and became
well-known, as one that could be counted on to aid in the many areas of growth
as the city was beginning to grow. He worked very hard to help anyone that was
in need. Many people would come to the city, and would ask where they might be
able to find a place to stay, or about getting a job in some way. During the
00:06:00time of Ypsilanti at this time, there were very few jobs offered, and it was
important that a family had an opportunity to apply for work. He helped many
migrants at that time to obtain employment. From to Ford Motor Company, used to
be called the generator plant, to Central Specialty, and many of the other
industrial plants in the area. By just presenting or knowing his name, made the
difference many times, of whether receiving a job, or being turned down. He
spent many hours working with the unfortunate, the, the very poor, to make sure
00:07:00that they were treated in a like manner of receiving the proper welfare that was
predominant at this time, and he continued working and striving to perfect the
Second Baptist Church that its membership would be receiving the best of
training. As we know, the church, that, as he became pastor, it was a very small
humble congregation of maybe 30 or 50 made up the congregation. The church was
in debt, the church was striving but through his leadership encouragement,
00:08:00preaching, and setting examples, the church begin to grow. And as the church
begin to grow in the community, so did his, uh, dynamic personality, for people
would come from many areas for his advice. He was a personal, uh, spiritual
advisor to more than one judge that was on the bar would seek him out for
advice. When there were problems in the city he would be sought out to ask for
his advice, especially if there were problems in the black community. There are
many avenues in which I suppose we could, uh, venture into, but there were some
00:09:00things that I think that were very outstanding in his life and in his career. He
received one of the first, uh, federal-insured type loans for a parsonage,
because of his work in the city that the parsonage was able to be build, the…
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ROBERSON: I’d also like to emphasize a few areas of thought. One of the
things I believe that made my father stand out in the community was his
00:10:00sincerity about truth. He believed in truth. [SOUND OF KNOCKING] He believed in
all men.
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ROBERSON: He was one that believed in treating all men right. He knew you could
not treat all men to same, the same, but he did believe that all men should be
treated right and fairly, regardless of creed, color, or nationality. And he was
one that stood very firmly on his convictions. Many young ministers were called
under his administration and that had an effect also upon the city that
00:11:00eventually became pastors themselves. Ministers like the beginning of St. John
the Baptist Church, my uncle Reverend Frank Roberson, ministers who began other
churches in other cities, the Reverend Brown moved to Indiana, Reverend Welch,
St. Paul Baptist Church, my own brother, the Reverend S. L. Roberson the
00:12:00Metropolitan Baptist Church. He worked with many other ministers throughout the
city of Ypsilanti. He was one that did not feel that because you belong to a
certain faith or a certain denomination that we could not work together in
harmony. And there would be many pastors from all the different faiths
throughout the city of Ypsilanti that would fellowship with him. Brown Chapel
00:13:00was very close. Many pastors from Brown Chapel were always welcome in his
pulpit. Shiloh Church of God in Christ, Mount Olive Church of God in Christ. The
type of fellowship that was carried on throughout the city of Ypsilanti was very
close because many times revivals in the city was carried out as city revivals
where the churches would get together and plan and work together.
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UNKNOWN: Reverend Roberson, you just shortly a moment ago, uh, mentioned some
of the various ministers that were dramatically influenced by your father. Could
you, uh, name any additional, uh, names of ministers in Ypsilanti, uh, township?
Would the Reverend Hopkins be a part of that group? Reverend Lee be a part of
that group? Or…
ROBERSON: These ministers arrived in the city years after my father had passed.
UNKNOWN: Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. It’s apparent to me that
your—you—you indicated earlier that your father wielded
commun—considerable influence in terms of finding employment for recent
migrants that came to Ypsilanti. Could you, uh, elaborate on that a little bit
further in terms of, of, of, what was it—did that mean in essence that he
wrote them letters of recommendations for employment, or what? Y’know, could
00:15:00you el—elaborate on that?
ROBERSON: This was a very, um, important factor at that time, to, there were,
would be letters given to those that he would recommend, um, for instance, story
telled, is told that there would be a group of men which would have to stand in
line, and, to be, picked out for jobs,
UNKNOWN: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
ROBERSON: and, uh, personnel person would come out and he would pick so many
men that day to be hired. And the men that would have his recommendation or
00:16:00letter who would be accepted and one white Caucasian person made the statement
that “It seems to me that you must have a black face to get a job around here,”
UNKNOWN: Hm.
ROBERSON: but that was do out of the, the appreciation of his word that stood
in the community, if he recommended a person it was on his word and his
integrity and it was respected. The first black cashier in the city of Ypsilanti
00:17:00came from his recommendation and she continued to work and before she passed she
had became manager of the Kroger store in the city of Ypsilanti.
UNKNOWN: Mm-hmm.
ROBERSON: There were many young people that were recommended for jobs in the
city of Ypsilanti for when we were growing up it was an understood, not law, but
understood, that a store would not hire black people as far as cashiers, as far
00:18:00as managers, sales personnel, and through his effort and tireless work many of
these barriers were broken.
UNKNOWN: Mm-hmm. Did your father ever get involved in, uh, politics or was the
influence that a minister wielded at that time equated to, with, uh, with, uh,
political influence and social influence with the community: were they like
integrated as one? Because in many instances, like, uh, like I know in the South
Reverend Booker T. Washington say he was the maker, and the breaker of men
through his letters of recommendation, and I see some similarities in terms of
00:19:00just the leadership position on the part of ministers back then, in terms of
being a part of the leadership class—they set, they set the model, they set
the standard for the moral posture, and what would you say in Ypsilanti
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ROBERSON: My father felt very strongly as to the importance of the black
community and especially the black male. He realized from his early age of
experiences that the black male was exploited and was made to humble himself in
many ways by being called “boy,” and not, uh, being able to express himself,
he had to be, he was told what he had to do without any input of his own, and so
00:20:00he felt very strongly about the male taking care of his family and being a pride
in his community. He worked with other ministers as far as trying to upgrade the
community educationally and as far as the job market was concerned. When my
father moved into this area, it was just about impossible for a black man to
receive a loan to improve his home or to build his home, and they would get
together, men, and if one would, require, uh, acquired a certain amount of land,
00:21:00that they would get together to build a home, uh, when many would come in they
would let families live with the different ones in the community until they were able
to find a place to live. He um, worked at improving the conditions between the
white area population and the black area of the population and through his many
efforts there were what was known as changing pulpits where a black minister
00:22:00would preach in his white brother’s pulpit. These areas were to bring a closer understanding—
UNKNOWN: That was rather unique—wasn’t that unique? During that time?
ROBERSON: I—I think so, um, Reverend Shaw of the First Baptist Church became
very, very close friends. As you know, the First Baptist Church held the
mortgage for the Second Baptist Church for many years, due to the fact that they
felt that this land that was given to them was very important, and did not want
it to be lost, but again, through the efforts and the outstanding work of Pastor
Roberson, this was eventually given to the church and signed over to the church
00:23:00as the land owner themselves.
UNKNOWN: Prior to your father, uh, becoming the pastor of Second Baptist
Church, was he the first pastor of Second Baptist Church? The only one, or was
there one before him?
ROBERSON: No, uh, there were many pastors before my father. He w—
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ROBERSON: There were sixteen pastors before my father became pastor Reverend
Holt, Reverend Richmond, Reverend J. W. Brown, Reverend Williams, Reverend
00:24:00Johnston, Reverend Stewart, Reverend Martin, Reverend Cornwell, Reverend
[Isabal], Reverend Woods, Reverend Derek, Reverend Williams, Reverend Cooper,
Reverend [Coo], Reverend Boyd, Reverend Carr, and then, Reverend Garther Roberson.
UNKNOWN: What do you, what do you think it was about your father and his church
that attracted such a large grouping of, of young men that eventually became
ministers and splintered off from this church? What do you think about that?
ROBERSON: I think it was his simplicity and honesty and his enthusiasm about
life. He had a great enthusiasm about life. Everybody who knew him knew him as
the smiling, laughing, good-natured pastor. He loved life, and he loved people.
00:25:00And people could feel the love and the understanding that he had for them. He
never looked down upon anyone, one was never too, uh, small for him to give a
helping hand. His philosophy in life was that all men are good and that if given
an opportunity they would prove their goodness. He, uh, loved to see young
people working and, and striving and, uh, working in the church. He had time for
young people. He had time for children. He had time for mothers. He had time for
fathers. He was one that would give his time for anyone that was in need,
00:26:00whether they called him in the early hours of morning or late at night, he was
always there to encourage. He wasn’t one that looked down upon if you had a
difficulty, if you couldn’t seem to understand your problem, he would
encourage you and he would do it in a way that you could see how if you would
just accept the Lord in your life or the philosophy of Christ that you would be
successful in your endeavors. He loved to sing. He was a hymn singer. He was a
choir singer. He loved to pray. He was a outstanding deacon. He loved to preach.
00:27:00He loved to express God’s word in a way that you could feel it. A minister
friend of mine, Reverend Williams, were talking to me just the other day, and
while we were in the national congress, and he was telling me how he could bring
out a situation that have happened that you could feel it and see it and he had
that great ability of, uh, drawing upon your mind through the point that you
could really see what he was trying to say.
UNKNOWN: Interesting. Could you, uh, did—did your father work very closely
00:28:00with his brother? Uh, you mentioned your uncle Reverend Frank Roberson. Did they
often do things together as far as, uh, church community life and activities? Uh…
ROBERSON: Yes, the church worked very close together. The, my, late uncle
Frank, uh, worked very close with Second Baptist. He organized one of the main
choirs that exist in Second Baptist Church today. They were very close friends.
He was one who loved to sing also, and he was called to pastor under my father.
And they continued to work together. Through his effort and through Reverend
Frank effort both churches grew and became very strong pillars in the community.
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UNKNOWN: What do you see as some of your father’s, uh, strongest
contributions to the development of Ypsilanti, or the black community of
Ypsilanti, in terms of contributions? If someone were to ask you, uh, what
important contribution do you think your father left to the people of Ypsilanti?
What would you say?
ROBERSON: I would say pride in oneself. I would say a certain dignity and
regardless of the job or the vocation that you had a certain dignity and pride.
I would say that through his leadership role businesses realized the importance
00:30:00of utilizing the black minority as an important factor in the city. And through
his tireless effort there was many changes in the customs as far as hiring,
firing, uh, promotional work, my own brother was one of the first black salaried
workers in the Ford Motor Company, and—
UNKNOWN: Did you father have anything to do with that? His becoming a—
00:31:00
ROBERSON: Definitely, because of his great influence in the city. And Brother
Washington over the housing commission in the city was one of the great factors.
UNKNOWN: What was Brother Washington’s first name?
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UNKNOWN: Sorry, uh, Rev, Ro-Roberson. What was uh, the full name of, uh, Mr.
Washington that you just mentioned?
ROBERSON: His name was Mr. Amos Washington.
UNKNOWN: Yeah, yeah.
ROBERSON: He was very helpful in the church obtaining a loan from the federal
00:32:00insurance loan company to build the parsonage that now stands at Second Baptist
Church. This was the first of its kind in the nation.
UNKNOWN: Reverend Roberson, uh, in what way do you feel that your father had a
influence upon your developing, uh, philosophy? How did he—how did your
father’s philosophy or way of life contribute and influence your life? What
I’m asking in essence is, uh, your being a minister today, is that a direct
result of your father having been a minis—minister and having influenced you
in your life? I’d like some comment on that.
ROBERSON: I believe our parents have greater influence on our behavior and our
00:33:00growth than many of us realize. When I was very young, I used to admire the way
that he always stood for what he believed in. He always taught us truth was the
best policy. He taught us how important it was to have a word in the community
that people could believe in. I didn’t understand many of these attributes at
the time of my father. But as I have grown older I can feel his influence all
00:34:00around me, his way of life, his loving of people, his desire to help people, his
willingness to accept a man as a man and if he needs help to help him, to let
people know that you have nothing to fear if you have a desire to help yourself.
I would say yes, his influence in the community and his life had a great bearing
on my being in the ministry today. He taught the great truth of religion. He
taught that if you believe in your heart and accept that Jesus is the Son of
00:35:00God, you shall be saved. And if you understood that God loved you, and that he
called you, and if you answer to his call he will use you as one to be an
ambassador, to be an, a disciple to bring to the world the, the good news, and
he loved to talk about the good news referencing to Jesus Christ coming into the
world, and that men might be able to overcome themselves. He made it very clear
00:36:00that life was more to it than being born, and living, and dying. That life was
excitement. That life had a, a real purpose and when you find the true purpose
of life, you always find salvation.
UNKNOWN: Thank you. Thank you, Brother Garth—Garther Robeson, for taking this
time out to allow me to conduct an interview on the history of your family, with
particular emphasis on your father, the Reverend Garther Robeson Senior. As
I’ve already indicated earlier, once this tape has been transcribed and typed
out, I will return it and allow you the opportunity to read it to preview it to
make deletions or additions, and I thank you.
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