Interview with Patricia Wells

Ypsi Farmers & Gardeners Oral History Project
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Omer Jean Winborn: Good afternoon. I'm Omer Jean Winborn Dixon, and I am interviewing today Pat Wells. And would you mind stating your name for the recording?

Patricia Wells: Yes, I am Patricia Wells.

Omer Jean Winborn: Okay. Would you mind telling us what year and where were you born?

Patricia Wells: I was born in 1950 and I was born in Detroit at Henry Ford Hospital.

Omer Jean Winborn: And could you tell us the names of your parents?

Patricia Wells: Yes. My father's name, George Murphy. My mother's name, Lucille Golden Murphy.

Omer Jean Winborn: How many siblings do you have or had?

Patricia Wells: Five sisters and three brothers.

Omer Jean Winborn: Any other details you'd like to share about your family?

Patricia Wells: Yes. My parents came from the south. My father was born and raised in Alabama and he moved to Detroit to work on the Chrysler assembly line. And my mother, she was born in Macon, Georgia, and she moved to Detroit to meet up with her mother. Her mother had left the south to come to Detroit to live with her cousins. And then she sent back for my mother to come to Detroit to be with her.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh, that's wonderful. So you had people living here?

Patricia Wells: Yes.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yeah.

Patricia Wells: Yes.

Omer Jean Winborn: How long had those people, your cousins that you, how long had they been here?

Patricia Wells: They had been here since the, like 1910.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh, wow. Did they also work for the automobile industry?

Patricia Wells: Yes. They worked for automobile. Their husbands worked for automobile industry.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh. Wow. That's wonderful.

Patricia Wells: They came from the country.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh, that is wonderful.

Patricia Wells: They had farms.

Omer Jean Winborn: They had farms?

Patricia Wells: They had farms.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh, wow. Could you tell us a little bit about you, yourself?

Patricia Wells: Oh yes. Yes. I attended public school in Detroit, a segregated 00:02:00school. And I was, I like to tell people I am a child of the great migration and the child of the wall because in 19... The late 1940s, the federal government built a cement wall to separate the blacks from the whites. And so it's always been there. And the people that my age in the community, we always would say we were going behind the wall and we would dare each other. Oh, you know how kids are? That's the wall, we can't cross it. Oh yes, we can. We'll cross it. We'll walk across it. We will cross it. And so it was, we made a fun thing out of it. But that's the way it was just, you just didn't cross and go over there. You had boundaries. So we would like to say we were isolated in northwest Detroit.

Omer Jean Winborn: Okay. Is that wall still there?

Patricia Wells: The wall is still there.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yes. Okay. You mentioned that your family came in 1910.

Patricia Wells: Yes.

Omer Jean Winborn: And was it because of jobs or was it because somebody, I know your earlier family, you said 1910, was it because of jobs or what was going on?

Patricia Wells: Because of jobs, but also they had to leave the land because the boll weevil came and my grandmother would say the sky was full of the boll weevils. If you know anything that's an insect, like a grasshopper or something. And it just devastated the crop, the cotton crops. So they had land, but the cotton was just ruined. They couldn't get a crop. And so the younger people, they were young, so, they left. The older people of course stayed. And, so, they came up here and they got jobs in the plants and left the land 00:04:00behind and they sold it off. Some people sold and that's just the way it was for, they had 40 acres.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yeah. Now, did your cousins also live near you?

Patricia Wells: Oh, yes. We all lived in the community. Walking distance. And that was our community.

Omer Jean Winborn: And so most of your life, you lived in Michigan or all of your life?

Patricia Wells: All of my life.

Omer Jean Winborn: You lived in Detroit?

Patricia Wells: Lived in Detroit.

Omer Jean Winborn: Okay.

Patricia Wells: My mother, she, at that time, what they say, she hit the numbers.

Omer Jean Winborn: Okay.

Patricia Wells: And purchased a brand new home. Brick, yeah, on the land contract.

Omer Jean Winborn: Okay.

Patricia Wells: They left Hamtramck.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yeah.

Patricia Wells: And moved to a brick home. So all her, she had one, two, my oldest brother was born in Hamtramck. But all the rest we came to a brick house, brand new.

Omer Jean Winborn: Okay. So now you're living in Ypsi. How did you get to Ypsilanti?

Patricia Wells: Long story, but when the crash came, I saw the prices just dropped all the way. I just said, you know? I know my grandkids, one of them will come up here and go to school and that way they wouldn't have to pay, what do you call the tuition, boarding? And all that. So I was thinking like that. So I have a two-bedroom condo and I got it rock bottom. And other than that, I don't think I would've ever left the city, 'cause we still have property there too. My kids, I have kids there and a lot of my family are there. And we are homeowners.

Omer Jean Winborn: Wow. So what's your earliest memory of growing food?

Patricia Wells: Earliest? Oh, [chuckle] everybody grew food. We had, where I lived, it was sort of considered the country 'cause it was eight mile road. It wasn't in the city per se. So it was land all around us. And people had backyards and they had vacant lots and food was everywhere. It was not what they call a food desert, food, and everybody grew food and everybody shared, so we had plenty of food, fresh food. Home cooked meals, it wasn't any box food or cans that was out. 00:06:00They would say, that's poison. We would say, mama, we want a Betty Crocker cake. She made us one, one time and we said, no, mama, yours tastes better. Big mamas and yours tastes better. So we were just brought up like that, healthy children didn't go to the doctor and we had good food.

Omer Jean Winborn: Can you tell us some of the things that you grow, some of the things that you were growing?

Patricia Wells: Sweet potatoes, believe it or not, peanuts. We had a lot of the herbs, we had, of course, corn, collard greens, especially, cabbage and tomatoes, always tomatoes and some watermelons, some cantaloupes. But it was abundance. They were farmers. And my grandmother used to drive, I would drive her around Detroit. She would always say, ooh, look at all this land. She said, no one should ever be hungry. She would always say that, no one should ever... I said, what do you mean grandma? She said, look at all the land. When you have land, you're not hungry. So she always implanted that in us. And so I always remember. I got away from growing 'cause we started going to school and working but it was always there in me 'cause I really always loved growing flowers. You know, the community with flowers everywhere, food, so quite naturally, it grows on you. You see it all the time. But you're thinking, oh, I don't wanna do that, 'cause I remember asking the pastor, he said, well, go help them out. Help all the kids, help the people out in the gardens.

Patricia Wells: That was our little money that we made. And I said, oh, I'm not gonna help you anymore. I was 14. I had on some stockings and little pump shoes and I'm being fast. What we call fast. 00:08:00“Reverend Lewis, why you don't use DDT?” I'm learning about DDT in science. And he would say, “that's poison.” And I said, “well, they say it's good to keep pests and everything away.” And he says, “poison.” So we don't, we do everything natural the old way. And I said, “why are you changing, not planting over here this year?” He said, “you let the ground rest.” He was always teaching, and he was a pastor, so he would relate it to the Bible. So one day I'm thinking, I got my nerves up. “Oh, I'm not gonna help you anymore Reverend Lewis. I'm gonna get a good government job and wear stockings and high heels.” So here's what he did, laughed and he sat in his chair 'cause he was up in age. And he said, “you're gonna come back to the garden. You're gonna come back.”

Omer Jean Winborn: Wow.

Patricia Wells: And it happened.

Omer Jean Winborn: It sounds like you had generations of learning how to grow food...

Patricia Wells: Generations.

Omer Jean Winborn: So your mom, your grandmother, your great-grandmother, generations of growing.

Patricia Wells: Generations.

Omer Jean Winborn: And that's where you learned.

Patricia Wells: That's where I learned.

Omer Jean Winborn: How actually, how would they take you out? And you'd work in the garden? Or how would they…. What would they do?

Patricia Wells: We would be the ones who turned the ground over. That was our job as a little girl, 7 or 8. Come over, it wasn't tilling. We’d take the shovel, turn it over, they say. Turn the ground over. And we pulled the weeds, water all the leg work.

Omer Jean Winborn: They would...

Patricia Wells: All the leg work going to get this, going to get that. The cleanup work. But that was our first jobs.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yeah. So you're telling us about... You told us about your garden and your farm. Can you tell, is there anything else you wanna tell us about how garden, what you growed, time of year you planted, would you…


Patricia Wells: It would always be in the early spring we was getting the land ready. Getting the land ready. And then, she’d always plant mostly seeds until way later on. She would get the tomato plants. But the weather was different too.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yes.

Patricia Wells: It was different.

Omer Jean Winborn: What can you tell me about the weather?

Patricia Wells: It seems like it was hotter, much hotter as far as the season seemed longer because she would do seeds. She would always say, we can use seeds and it'll catch up with the people who planted the plants. And they do better. And I find that to be true too. Except some things, 'cause it, like a tomato takes a little longer. So I like to buy my tomato plants. But the collard greens and the spinach and all the green leafy vegetables, seeds to where okra, squash seeds do much better I find.

Omer Jean Winborn: I know that you do a lot of work around getting linked into advocating for gardeners and farmers especially across generations. Can you tell us more about that work?

Patricia Wells: Well, the reason...

Omer Jean Winborn: And why you think intergenerational food growing is so important?

Patricia Wells: It's important because if you know the history, our history we were brought here as enslaved people to grow food because we were the ones, the experts.

Omer Jean Winborn: Absolutely. Yes.

Patricia Wells: So we not only grew food, we did everything. And 'cause we could stand the heat, you know, the native people they couldn't, I wouldn't say, but they would say, they would let them beat.., they would say, we'll get beaten. We are not gonna be your slave. So many of them would run away. They knew the area. They could run away. They knew, you know, they were different tribes. So some would, some were farmers, but a lot of them weren't. They were... It was different tribes did different things, but 00:12:00the Black man could all over the world, we went, they enslaved us and this is what we did, worked in the land. And we could do it well.

Omer Jean Winborn: So thinking about what impact has growing food had on your family and community, think about then and think about now. What could you tell me?

Patricia Wells: Well, people were healthier. I think then they were healthier, happier. It was a sense of more of a community and not being dependent because if you know anything about welfare, that was not primarily made for people of color, but 50 years, I think 40 before, before Black folks got anything. Only in the '60s maybe a little food stamps or some checks lady in the north. But that was not something, we grew food or we had to work because that was not for us. The welfare was not for made for us. Am I right then?

Omer Jean Winborn: Yes.

Patricia Wells: So, the people was, to me, they could cook, they could do anything. And, the men always wore, what do you call those pants? Those pants, strapped..they called, what do you call them? Coveralls? On Sundays, of course, they'd go to church and they dressed up, but they had coveralls. Or if they go to work at Chrysler, they come back home and they worked in the land. It was family, it was togetherness. We did it together. We did things together.

Omer Jean Winborn: That's wonderful. And my next question is, you've answered it, but I would like to know if you could, tell me a little bit more about how's growing and buying and preparing food different when you were young than it is now.

Patricia Wells: Because people baked their breads, their rolls, their biscuits, they didn't have the store-bought biscuits because people were home and they had more time and kids to take care of. 00:14:00And food was very very important. And you made a little bit stretch a long way. So you had to have beans, cornbread, those kind of foods. There was no cans. You had everything from scratch. And I go back to it now too, thinking about it, it's less than buying it in the store already prepared and it tastes better and it's fresher. They didn't worry about salmonella and e coli and all of that 'cause they washed, they prepared the meats, how they washed 'em. And then they knew it wasn't coming from here and there. They wouldn't buy stuff that was from there, there it was all grown, right locally grown. So that's why the taste was so different. You take many children today, they don't like tomatoes because where I..because tomatoes come from Florida, they don't have any taste.

Omer Jean Winborn: That's true. [laughter]

Patricia Wells: And so, we would take tomatoes and make a sandwich out of it. We're just eat it plain.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yes.

Patricia Wells: Or just put it on the gas stove and just blacken it, eat it like that. But once they taste the real food, and I say real food, it's a difference. And then they like it, then they see it grow. It's a difference. And those jobs were our jobs as a kid, so we made a little money. We didn't have to go and ask for every little thing. We had, we saved our money up. We worked, we got paid a little. It wasn't much, but it helped. And it taught you… you weren't sitting at home watching TV all day.

Omer Jean Winborn: You were out there working. Yes.

Patricia Wells: Yes. You were working and it was, and you were physically working.

Omer Jean Winborn: Where do you grow food now?

Patricia Wells: Well, I still grow it in Detroit with my daughter.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh, okay.

Patricia Wells: Off of Prairie Street. And, different people that have got farms and gardens in Detroit, I would help them. And also up here in Ypsilanti 00:16:00at the Normal Park and at Willow Run, also.

Omer Jean Winborn: So how did you come about Willow Run?

Patricia Wells: I'm driving down the street...

Omer Jean Winborn: I know you said you had... Oh, okay.

Patricia Wells: Driving down the street.

Omer Jean Winborn: Driving down the street.

Patricia Wells: And then I also met him when I first moved up here, TC at the park on Platt Road. I think I forget the name of it, it's in Ann Arbor off of Platt Road.

Omer Jean Winborn: Okay.

Patricia Wells: And he was there and we talked, but then later on I would see him through passing, then when he started the garden, I stopped and it was him. So we started talking and I rented a plot. Because you support other gardeners, and you wanna encourage the youth. You wanna encourage, you can't just be about it, you have to, you have to show them.

Omer Jean Winborn: Right.

Patricia Wells: See, because many of them have never left the major cities.

Omer Jean Winborn: Right.

Patricia Wells: And they haven't seen corn fields. Out here, they do because it's still kind of farm land, but Detroit, no they don't see corn fields, or they don't see a watermelon growing. So we would grow 30 watermelons, 60 watermelons in the public parks. So the people would see, and we tell them this, it's like this: know how to grow food. It will empower you. And you never have to kill anybody for their money, because when you... A angry man... A hungry man is a angry man and a desperate man. So you probably heard the news where people get killed for a slim Jim in Detroit, stealing a slim jim. And other people had nothing to do with it. Or murdered because you didn't open the door when he told you, the shooter said, open the door, I'm killing everybody in here. Open the door. What is a slim jim?


Omer Jean Winborn: So you're telling us a little background, so I wanted to ask you. When thinking about the history behind land and farming and garden, what comes to mind for you? When you're thinking about the history of land growing, what do you think most about?

Patricia Wells: Oh, it's, I think about my ancestors. What they went through. And how they had to, just what it took for them to make it, for us to be here today. And that they did not give up. And if you know anything, if you ever out there in the garden, it’s a peace comes over you and you sing a song, you dance and you sing that song according to your movement in the ground. And it's a camaraderie. And I think that's what helped each other. There's a, I like to teach, show the young people in Detroit, I like for them to hear this song. It's called Emma Hoe.

Omer Jean Winborn: Would you like to sing a little bit of that for us?

Patricia Wells: Oh, I can't really sing like that, but if you have a...

Omer Jean Winborn: Can you give us a little phrase about it?

Patricia Wells: Okay. Oh, Emma Hoe. Emma Hoe is stronger than two grown men. The Hoe, stronger than two grown men. She can turn all around, she can twist. It's really a song that I can't remember right now, but I haven't played it in a while, but listen to it. And they're singing that song, and then it's another one. Keep your hand on the plough, until the war is over. Keep your hand on the plow, until the war is over. Don't give up.

Omer Jean Winborn: Wow. You have showed us how inspired and connected you are to this land and this history. Is there any other way? That's wonderful. Is there any other way that you thought about, that you're also connected? Ancestors, you said and...

Patricia Wells: Ancestors. And I think about work, toiling from sun up. 00:20:00They used to say from... You can't see... Wait, from... Can see, to can't see. That was the saying. They worked the fields from can see, because it was hot. So it was early in the morning. Work at the can see to can't see.

Omer Jean Winborn: Till late. Okay. How do you feel about gardening? I have some of it. And growing food. Tell us, how do you really feel about that?

Patricia Wells: How I really feel about it?

Omer Jean Winborn: Mm-hmm.

Patricia Wells: Like my grandmother said, as long as you have land, and we only get one earth, as long as you have that, and it helps to own it, you should never be hungry. 'Cause we have a saying in Detroit, once those food stamps stop flowing, you will see Detroit bloom.

Omer Jean Winborn: That's powerful.

Patricia Wells: You will see Detroit bloom. And I always show them first what it's the different history of starvation in this world. And how people have starved. And, many of those people live today, or their ancestors, the descendants are here to tell you about it. They'll tell you about Bangladesh, how three million people starved in a year, and how Winston Churchill said, "That's their fault they're breeding like rats." And they had food in the harbor. People all over the world donated food. And it was in the ship. It was in the... It was in the ocean, or the sea, ready to go, give it to the people, but they just let them starve to death. And that's, this was in, during World War II. I wrote it down, so I can get the facts straight. 00:22:00It's World War II, during that time. And then, Stalin, between '32 and 1932 and 19... Wait, 1930 to 1932, millions died of starvation in the Ukraine, Holodomor, in the Ukraine. Once a person have ever been hungry, you take a kid who's been in foster care and they always had food insecure. Those children never ever, they always remember that they were hungry and they'd never wanna be hungry again. So they always put food up, hide it, even if there's plenty of it. But they do remember that time they're not, they were hungry. I mean, really hungry.

Omer Jean Winborn: Thank you for that. You've done a wonderful job talking about the difficulties of growing food. Can you add anything else to that?

Patricia Wells: Well, if you're starving, and you wonder why people do things, remember this, a hungry man, is a angry man. There's plenty of songs. Bob Marley speaks of it, sings about it. A hungry man is an angry man. So, whenever you can, you wanna share what you have, help somebody eat. Because sometimes you'd be surprised, the smallest little thing can make a difference in that person's life and another person's life. So we, you may have food on your table, but always remember, there's someone who's insecure and it's, we have the means to feed the world. There's no reason why people should be food insecure. I think it's... We have a justice department for the USDA, it's called Justice for Black Farmers Act 2023, to enact policies to end discrimination 00:24:00within the USDA, protecting Black farmers from losing their land. And there are grants to encourage new generation of Black farmers. So today, the USDA is committed to rooting out systemic racism and advancing justice and equity and oppression for all. And there is a global food surplus for the first time, for the first time, in human history where today's agriculture... Something about, we are capable of adequately feeding up to 10 billion people, but yet only 690 million. So it's, many people are undernourished and they're food insecure. So we want healthy people. We need healthy people.

Omer Jean Winborn: Thank you for that. So when you're out there growing food, can you think of any one of your particular ancestors that you connect with when you're there?

Patricia Wells: Oh, definitely. My grandmother, I think about my grandmother on my mother's side because they had 40 acres. And I think about, she would say we didn't have money much, but we had, we grew everything we ate. And we went to the market once a month to buy sugar, sometimes sugar and something else, flour. But she said, we grew everything. And they would wear the, she would say, we wear the crocus sacks. Make a dress out of the crocus sacks. So 00:26:00they would always say they were Depression, Depression people, came through The Depression. So they didn't waste anything. And I remember they couldn't, they could not get a mortgage, so they had to build their own home, but they had plenty of food. So they, my grandfather worked at Ford Motor. And Henry Ford picked him out of a line because that man could just build anything. It was, it wasn't any tests he had to take. But he asked him a few questions and he was a millwright. And he was a... He wasn't a foreman, he was a general foreman, my grandfather.

Omer Jean Winborn: Wow.

Patricia Wells: A general foreman.

Omer Jean Winborn: That's wonderful.

Patricia Wells: Henry Ford Rouge.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh wow. That is wonderful.

Patricia Wells: And he drove, he purchased Lincoln-Zephyrs, new ones, every year.

Omer Jean Winborn: Wow. I heard you say earlier in the interview, that you are passing this food growing down to your daughter. That's wonderful.

Patricia Wells: And grandkids.

Omer Jean Winborn: And grandkids. Oh, that is wonderful.

Patricia Wells: Right.

Omer Jean Winborn: Why do you feel that's important?

Patricia Wells: Because it's important because that teach them to be, it empowers them. And my grand, my daughter is a nurse practitioner. So she's always saying, she has to look healthy, so her patients will see that this is what you do. It's not a quick fix. She exercise, she runs, she tells them what she does, and she looks the part. She's a vegan, you know, vegetarian. So she said this is her grocery store, the garden. So, she eats healthy and she wants the community to eat and her patients of course. So this is what she lives by. This is what she lives by. And she eats a lot of raw vegetables like okra. She can just eat it raw.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh, that's wonderful.

Patricia Wells: And my grandson, he grows everything. 00:28:00So I said, how did you get interested in those, growing that over there? He said, “oh grandma, you taught me.” I said, “I didn't teach you how to grow that.” He said, “yeah, yes, you did.” He said, “I just have a love for growing everything, the medicine and the food.” I said, “okay, just don't get yourself in trouble.”

Omer Jean Winborn: So in the future, I already hear it, but I want you to say it, for the interview. What do you think will be the values? What do you think some of the traditions will be or the lessons that you've learned from growing food and gardening?

Patricia Wells: Well, I learned to love life because it'll pick you up at your darkest time, because that is life. And you, no matter what you're going through, we have this beautiful world here. And it gives us so much. And you wanna share it and let people know. Sometimes you, we all get a little depressed sometimes and sometimes really depressed. But there's another day. Sometimes you need to pick up, pick up something, pick up bucket or a tire and keep your hand on the plow. Hold on. Hold on. Don't look back, 'cause it's a war out here we are in, a spiritual, and every kind of war. It's a war to live. Live right. And it also helps the ecosystem. You meet so many interesting people, speak so many different languages, so many backgrounds. But we all, we have something in common. And that's food.

Patricia Wells: And we put all that aside. I met many people from different backgrounds, and I've learned so much from food 00:30:00and sharing. And this is what helps the people in Detroit. It's a special kind of place, wouldn't you say? It's a special kind of place. 'Cause people from all over the world is there now. And many, many from outside the state. Not metro. Not from a Roseville, not from up north, from all out the state, recognize the land and the water, what we have. But to make it work, we have to come together. 'Cause we let 'em know in a minute, we're here.

Omer Jean Winborn: Absolutely.

Patricia Wells: And we are gonna be here. And a lot of people are diehard Detroiters. They may not have windows, they may not have water, but they'll hold on to that little shack, won't they? And paint it up. And say this here, we can all live here together. Or none of us will live here. Am I right?

Omer Jean Winborn: Absolutely.

Patricia Wells: So that's Detroit.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yep. Is there anything that we didn't cover that you would like to talk about?

Patricia Wells: I would just like to talk about what's happening with the USDA and the HBCUs.

Omer Jean Winborn: Okay.

Patricia Wells: The HBCU, the 1890 scholarship. Are you aware? 1890 scholarship, it helps people attend HBCUs, full rides. Full ride. Because of the Black farmers lawsuit.

Omer Jean Winborn: Oh, that's...

Patricia Wells: Full ride.

Omer Jean Winborn: Tell us more about that.

Patricia Wells: Four years, and you can go for four years, or you can go for two or three or one. But the idea is you don't pay for anything and you get, 00:32:00what do you call it? Everything paid for. You get an internship in the summer, paid internship. And if you go and get the education for four years, you have to work for the USDA for four years. Or if you get it for three, work for three, but you get paid, because of.. the USDA has been the most racist of all the systems. And that is to encourage young people. It doesn't matter. Females doesn't matter, all. We want a generation of new farmers. HBCU is Black farmers lawsuit. This is what 1890 scholarship is. So let the people know it's a B average. B average. And, but you have to major in something that is a vegetarian, what do you call it? The animals, what do you call it?

Omer Jean Winborn: Veterinarian.

Patricia Wells: Veterinarians. But the, this is huge. Agriculture is culture.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yes.

Patricia Wells: Everything we do, homes, whatever the timber, you maybe wanted to be a forester person, in forestry. That's USDA. The water conservation, soil science. You can't build anything till you have a soil scientist.

Omer Jean Winborn: Right.

Patricia Wells: So it's just not just farming, but it's everything. You're the, what do you call it? Wooden tables, of course. But especially if you get a, what's the hardwood?

Omer Jean Winborn: Hardwood.

Patricia Wells: What'd you call those trees? Walnut, Cherry.

Omer Jean Winborn: Walnut, Cherry. Okay.

Patricia Wells: Hardwood, whatever. That's important to know how to plant a tree. And how, when, and we have to have trees. We don't have forestries in a lot of cities anymore.

Omer Jean Winborn: Right.

Patricia Wells: It's contracted. So trees, we need, we have to have trees, plants, grass. 00:34:00Landscape horticulture. Landscape architecture. All that's USDA.

Omer Jean Winborn: Thank you...

Patricia Wells: It's computers.

Omer Jean Winborn: So much for sharing. That's...

Patricia Wells: Food science.

Omer Jean Winborn: Valuable information.

Patricia Wells: Food science.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yeah. That's valuable information.

Patricia Wells: Food science.

Omer Jean Winborn: Thank you so much for sharing.

Patricia Wells: Yeah. Products because ketchup, where did our ketchup come from? You know about this as far as mustard, ketchup, all this food we have.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yes.

Patricia Wells: We want local food.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yes.

Patricia Wells: So that's all that's gonna be opportunities for people.

Omer Jean Winborn: Absolutely.

Patricia Wells: Technology can do so much, but we need human beings to eat the food and to use the herbs for the medicine. This is sweet tea, black tea. Ooh yeah, black tea. So you grow, you some Black tea. Grow you some teas. This is serious. So we eat every day, how many times? Three. Oh yeah. All these cookies. See?

Omer Jean Winborn: Yep.

Patricia Wells: We need bakers.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yep, that's true.

Patricia Wells: So it's huge.

Omer Jean Winborn: Thank you so much for sharing that.

Patricia Wells: I can go on and on and on, but the automobile is wonderful, but we need food.

Omer Jean Winborn: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for sharing.

Patricia Wells: No problem.

Omer Jean Winborn: Yes, absolutely.